The Ripple Effect

Jen and Tessie Hollister, RN, CPCRA

• Season 2 • Episode 2

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What an IMPORTANT episode on The Ripple Effect!  Tessie Hollister vulnerably shares her journey to healing her son and daughter and how it interweaves with her journey to heal herself and find her purpose.  We chat about cranial nerve injuries, PANDAS, vaccine injury, and MORE.  We chat about the plateau effect in healing and how going DEEP into the ancestral healing and embracing/remembering of who we are in the likes of SOURCE matter in true transformation. 
Please take a listen if you are a Mama on the mission to heal your child or recover your child to a place of optimal expression of self.  Mama practitioners are created a little differently and practice with a care and concern that manifests a little differently than the "norm". 
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Warning, listen to this podcast at your own risk. Side effects may include joy, feeling, content, illumination, newfound senses of purpose and wellbeing. Courage, realizing you are not alone.

Jennifer McNerney:

Welcome to the Ripple Effect. I am your host Jen McNerney, sharing the unfolding stories that made us and healed us.

Okay. I'm so excited to introduce my next guest on the ripple effect podcast. Today. I have a special guest. Her name is Tessie Hollister, and she is an integrative frequency practitioner. And we met through getting certified in a modality that is frequency medicine and I will say, Tessie, when I met you during the little study group, and you had so many different awarenesses that helped give me permission to bring those tools in for myself. So I just wanted to thank you for making a huge difference and, making a huge difference in so many people's lives. So I, That's a perfect segue for you to just kind of let, just introduce yourself to the listeners. Tell us a little bit about your background and what you do and how you help get to the root in so many people's lives and help change and transform their lives. Yeah, thank you. That was such a lovely introduction. Yeah, so I do integrative frequency medicine and that is really a culmination of a lot of modalities all put together. My background is nursing, so I started as a registered nurse and I worked in that field for over 10 years. and it was very, a classic Western medicine training. And, I really enjoyed that career because it was very much of the logical mind. and it gave me a good platform for how to manage patient care. But it wasn't really enough. And I realized that pretty quickly. And so I went on to get my master's thinking if I get another degree in this field, then it will be more helpful for patients. Not really. And. And that really kind of took me on a different journey, really catapulted by motherhood. So my practice currently really focuses on parents and children. And that is because parent, being a parent, being a mother and working with young children that were very sick, my own children led me to this career and led me to this practice. And so that just is very organically what I specialize in. Yeah, I think that's also, we had a mirror there, like we had a matching kind of a little bit of a parallel journey because I wouldn't have found any of these modalities if it weren't for my own children having an injury after getting some jabs at a wellness check, so it's and then it was like we found what healed us and now That's the career. So it's just, it's a beautiful, I don't know how to, to find that, like Yeah, yeah. Full like Yeah. Yeah. It, it's very, you know, everything that I have learned for my own children, I apply within my own practice and it, I think it's advantageous being a practitioner because when we're with our children, we're also looking at a, Just a bigger lens of curiosity, like why is this happening? We weren't like I think for me at least I'm less likely to dismiss a symptom or a sign or behavior I get really curious about why it's occurring Because I know in my practice and that could be occurring for somebody else and somebody else's child So we get to have this like really fluid exchange of being a mother being with our children and then also applying that within our work and it it's hard because Nobody wants to have suffering of a child to bring them into their life's purpose. No, no, if we could go, if I could go back and like, if I could go back and know what I know now, starting like Motherhood, it would have been a different journey, right? Nobody wants to, yeah, it's a very, it's a very like, shamanic journey. The suffering, like bringing us to our purpose. Yeah. so tell, so you were in West, so of on a timeline with your own kids, you said that they've helped you. I mean, that's how you've evolved into the frequency practitioner that you are today. So,, I was working in the Western modalities and I will say, I live in Portland, Oregon, so I've always had a naturopath as my own primary care doctor. and I've always had alternate, acupuncture, chiropractic is part of like my accessory healing for my Children and for myself, but I never looked at it as a root cause for medicine. So when I about 10 years ago, I first was introduced to functional medicine, so I managed to functional medicine practice and that was my introduction to a whole another line of thinking. So I did have that, in my toolkit. Again, very much thinking of it in terms of adult care, not really thinking of it in children's care. And when my son was born, it really took me into a very like soul searching journey because my son is a highly sensitive kid, highly empathic, very dysregulated nervous system, as was mine at the time of being postpartum. And that was a really big shift in my consciousness. So I think it's important to realize that for me, motherhood was a shift in consciousness that happened immediately. Now, my son became sick at around nine months, and he had a cranial nerve injury that nobody in Western medicine could diagnose. And this is even more, Ironic because I was specializing in a brain and spine institute for neurology and neurosurgery. Wow. Wow. Yes. You know, like I was synchronicity and I had these experts on call, I was texting them, Hey, this is happening to my kid. And nobody knew what to do with a nine month old with a cranial nerve injury. And it was, One of the most painful parts of my journey because you never want to hear from multiple doctors, multiple specialists. We don't know what's wrong with your son. We have no answers. And, we went through the gamut of testing, traumatic medical experiences, MRIs, all that stuff. Nothing helped. And eventually he just sort of started to kind of heal at around nine months, 12 months, it got better. You know, I had my daughter, thought things were good. And then it was just a few short months later that he went into full blown pandas. and it was the most devastating thing because again, we heard the echo of, we don't know what's wrong. We don't know how to help it. We consulted with, providers down at Stanford and their solution was months of antibiotics, months of steroids, and to put a two year old on an SSRI. And it was at that point that I just like. Lost it. Like I lost a lot of my faith in the education system, the Western medicine system that I had been, indoctrinated into. Right. And that's when I really just kind of said, okay, I'm going to have to heal myself. And I. Really started from the top down. So I mean from the top down, meaning I went into a very deep spiritual journey and process first and I did not see it coming. but I Went into more of like the shamanic healing realms. So I was doing past life regression. I was doing transcendental meditations hours of meditation Somatic release therapy. And I was doing this within myself because I was wanting to find answers and I was like, okay, and I had like really great mentors to help me through this. And through that work, it really came out that the first thing I needed to address with him was parasites. Parasites, right? So simple. And then that led me to some different synchronicities and meeting Dr. Todd Watts, who is the founder of Salcor. Oh, cool. Yeah, I see your, I see the Salcor behind you. Those are, there's it's like when you're in this realm, like there's certain really clean supplements and people that, yeah, the supreme nutrition and they're, yeah, the verbita, all the things, so. Yeah, so tell me more about, before you go on, because I'm super curious, we have these curious minds. What did a cranial nerve Injury look like in your son? what were the signs and symptoms that was like, there is something really radically wrong here? what were some that you right off the bat noticed? Yeah, so at around nine months, he would get it was a vestibular nerve injury, which is kind of like having baby vertigo. So he could not tolerate being laying laid flat, like anytime he was in the supine position, he would cry and he was in extreme pain. So imagine you can't ever lay a baby down, right? It was too painful for him and we couldn't go in the car. His eyes would roll back in his head because he couldn't tolerate it. He couldn't stand light. So any overhead light was really difficult for him. He couldn't move his eyes up. He couldn't look up and he had a lot of really bad neck pain. So in some ways we thought okay, there's definitely an infection correlation, which we still think there was, whether it was strep or viral. Um, but it was very much pain, a lot of pain and couldn't leave flat. So he was getting. Lots and lots of Tylenol because their pediatrician said just give them Tylenol every day. Don't recommend that. Yeah. Yeah. No. Don't recommend that. We always have to let go of what we know now. Yes. What we know now. It's so tough though. There's there's waves of healing with that. Do you, do you not agree? Like where you go back? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. But he really, he just couldn't tolerate being flat. So like diaper changes, everything we had to do vertical sleeping,, it was very much. I cannot even imagine that's your first child. You're like trying to figure, and I just cannot even imagine because I had, our son was like 24, they called it colic. They, he was just crying constantly. And like Western medicine is Oh, it's colic. It'll pass. And, you know, as your whole intuition, your mom intuition screaming, none of this is normal. And the you're like, feeling gaslit by the Western medical model, because they kind of gas, they do gaslight you. Oh, so heavily. We, we Ended up switching pediatricians at this time. Our pediatrician at this time went to Harvard, very like all the right things on the list and it was a horrible experience. She said I had postpartum anxiety. She said, you know, I was reading too much into his symptoms, right? All the things and I could get that if I wasn't like trained in neurological disorders, like what to look for. Right. And a lot of the symptoms were very Obvious, like we would go to appointments and they were like, Oh yeah, no, we've never seen that. We don't know what to do. Like, you know what I mean? Like, Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. It's very, it was challenging. And as a baby, you, it's hard to know what pain is for them, right? Like, are they don't have a threshold. They have no way to communicate it. Yeah. Yeah. And I didn't know how to muscle test. Now we can actually muscle test that pain. Yeah. Like, great. So then when you said that he started to get better between that nine to 12 months and then you got the pandas diagnosis and for people that don't know listeners that don't know. I mean, you give us a little background about pandas because there's so it's so tough because I'm in the Lyme and colon infections community and oh my gosh, there's so many like people arguing about It's so tough. treatments and unlike just fine muscle testing. That's that's your plan. Yeah. Yeah. So pandas, um, has kind of a spectrum, but really what you're looking at is an auto immune inflammatory disorder of the nervous system and the brain tissue. So this looks like for children, a range of symptoms. It can be extreme panic attacks, it can be extreme OCD behavior, and it can be extreme outbursts or angry, very violent outbursts, depending on age and situation, but it's really high inflammation in the brain. And. It is brought on or thought to be brought on by strep. So an infection that causes high inflammatory response that kids just don't really recover from. and it's said to be like a light switch. Like kids go from their normal personality to this completely other kid within a matter of a week or two. And it can sometimes look like autism. But it's not the same presentation. A lot of the behaviors can look similar and there is a high correlation of sensory processing, meaning like. Really difficult times managing light and sound and touch. And that's probably where the autism, same with, right. I think the biomedical, I think Lyme and co infections can look like that. We have one that's Bartonella that has the anger, the rage. There's so much, overlap. And so even, even. You know, you saying you're in the Western model, medical model, well, I, as a speech language pathologist would only be seeing kids or individuals labeled autistic when I'm like now in hindsight, I'm like, Oh, wow, we could have probably got this kid recovered to a place that does not look like autism had I known, but you only know what you know. Yeah. So you, so go ahead with, yeah. And so, and that's when it was like, getting really curious, okay, this happened, but what's the root cause and how do we fix it? And Western medicine doesn't have solutions for that. They don't. They love the labels and, Oh, you have this here, just take this to mask those symptoms or yeah. Any provider telling me to give a two year old an antidepressant medication is not going to be nice. That's a big red flag. And I mean, listen, it's like, yeah, that's a big red flag. And always trust your mama intuition. If it feels wrong, it probably is wrong. Probably is wrong. And that was like that breaking for me. And so that's when I, trained in detox therapy. So holistic detox therapies and part of why I ended up training in it. Was I couldn't find a practitioner that felt comfortable treating a toddler. And this became a barrier multiple times, like even with functional medicine, I worked with a functional medicine practitioner for a little bit and we did, thousands of dollars of testing in that, which again is really traumatic to do for a young child. But she wasn't familiar with toddlers, right? Like, I could tell it was outside of her comfort zone and a lot of these doctors weren't, they didn't want to go there. No, I mean, there's, I there's all the liability and er, the whole herbal homie up, like there are people that just won't touch it. Um, and I think now muscle testing, like I know he helped heal our family. So like I trust any practitioner that's proficient and. Applied kinesiology because And that you know people I'll get messages off social media They're like Jen my friends, you know son or daughter just got diagnosed with Lyme and co infections what do you recommend for treatment? I said I recommend you go find a practitioner that notes muscle testing and you go that route because every Every one of our protocols looked different because every one of us is different. So, and you, and you said parasites, so I wanted to see, could you touch on, cause I think it blows people's minds when they're like, how can a nine month old have parasites? And I'm like, ah, because you inherit everything, every toxin, like from the, it's just, can you go there a little bit for education? Because I think par, parasites. are so often overlooked, but we all have them and we all have to be mindful of them being out about like the whole homeostasis being out of balance because it creates really gnarly symptoms. So yeah,, and I would say like at this point, at least 95 percent of my patients have a parasite problem. So parasites are. Organic, right? They are naturally occurring on this earth. And if you are alive, then you have a parasite. It doesn't matter what country you live in. Doesn't matter, right? We all have parasites. They are a naturally occurring part of our symbiosis with this earth. So I don't want to demonize them by any means. but what happens is a, we pass them in utero because we do have parasites in our uterus. We'll pass them to our Children and Our food sources and our water sources have a much higher, I'll say a higher level of toxicity that attracts parasites. So if you look at parasites as kind of like the garbage men, or the cookie monsters, or the Pac Man of the body. Going around like, heavy metals, yay, pesticides, let's go get those, right? Mold, yum. They go and they do that, and that's great, and then we're supposed to flush them. And we've really lost the art of cleansing. We've lost the art of cleansing, either through ceremony, through ritual, through religious processes, whatever that looks like for people, we've lost that art. And our diet no longer supports eating, taking in natural herbs that would cleanse our bodies anyway. Like, we used to do that. Through our food surfaces. Yes. Yeah, really well. So a baby or a toddler will naturally get parasites from their mother and then we pass them back and forth when we kiss when the dog looks their face like that. They're going to get them from their food, whether it's meat or fruit or again, tap water, they're going to get parasites from that. And the problem with children, of course, is they're not clearing them. They're not clearing them and their toxin load is so high that they're going to attract more than is ideal. And then that's when it becomes an overgrowth or parasitic infection. And you get these symptoms like teeth grinding was horrible. My son was teeth grinding so severely at night, it was painful and you can't tell him to stop because he's one and severe night terrors, like the type of night terrors where I didn't Understand that it could ever get that bad, right? Like we've heard of night terrorists, but unless you've probably experienced one, very different than a nightmare, right? It's like this kid's brain is not working and they think you are the scariest thing in the world because they cannot register that you're their parents. So that was bad. and. The behavior in the nervous system, that's kind of nuanced for children, understanding when they get angry outbursts, when they get like debilitating panic attacks, a lot of that goes back to parasites. And so just cleaning out parasites really did a huge reduction in the panic attacks that my son was experiencing. And I really think it's important the way that we use language with these symptoms because. In an adult, a panic attack is yes, okay, we see that. In a child, we write it off as separation anxiety that they're going to grow out of. We're very dismissive, right? We're like, oh, it's just separation anxiety. Let's blame the parent for not parenting the right way. Right? Like there's this whole like other side. I know. Right? Yeah. That is still not helpful for a parent experiencing a child with the inability to be more than two inches away from them at any given time. Right? Right. Parasites were like a really big turning point because a lot of the symptoms of quote pandas went away. Once we got rid of the parasites, and I did do that with a lot of detox therapy, but truly for a child that only takes a few weeks, I guess it's not so amazing like to have a so like your turnaround once you got to what was really impacting your son was like a couple of weeks. That should mean it was huge, right? That should give a lot of moms, a lot of hope, right? When I would think when I hear something like that, because I'm always like, that's just how I'm wired. let's get to the root and anything is fixable. Anything, I think anything is possible. So I'm like, okay, listeners, because I'll, you will get, you probably get moms that have lost in your office and hope is such. a key to healing. Like, you have to have hope. You have to believe a miracle is possible. You have to believe and you also have to, like, know it. Know, yes, it's like you can intellectually know it, but you have to embody that frequency. Like, know it. Like, bring it in to every cell in your body. So. So a couple, so then you, then what was next, what was next after parasites for your son? Yeah. So then it was, you know, like when you're doing at that stage, I was, I was doing the detox work. I was training in Chinese medicine. I was, very much in this like herbal supplement world. And it, I would say like 80 percent of that diagnosis resolved with that type of treatment. And so it also was like heavy metals, right? Really looking at our, you know, we already had a really holistic, nutritious diet. So I knew it wasn't diet, but there was still a food sense. So nightshades were a thing for him. Getting those out of diet wasn't that big of a deal. and then digestive enzymes and like SIBO, like really healing the gut lining. We had to do a lot of healing of the gut lining and healing the damage that had occurred from the parasite infection. So, first you're like clearing out detox thing, then you're restoring and you're rebuilding. So that was about when I would say a lot of my son's journey kind of like. Sell into a bit of a plateau and it was at that time that my daughter had her Journey begin you can say and my daughter was a very different, baby like she just kind of walked out very like confident and secure and like Capricorn energy like I think you know, that's another thing. We also share. I think our Daughters have the same birthday They're the one aren't isn't your daughter a wolf moon, baby? January 10th. Yes, January 10th is my of 2020. Yeah, coming in before whatever the collective thing that happened actually, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So go ahead and go ahead. I just I just remembered that because I think I picked that up when we were at CRA. So, yeah, yeah. So, I was, we were doing so much with Harry's journey that I was really blessed with like Raya being a pretty straightforward baby. Her biggest issue was she had a really severe tongue tie at birth. And so like we had to deal with that and we did, and then it was like smooth sailing, but she kept getting respiratory infections and she's my blue eyed girl. So she's, very prone to respiratory infections. And, Can you tell me about the blue eyes correlation or, with Because we're all blue eyed here, and so I'm just curious. Yeah, it's kind of like an iridology thing, but blue eyed, lighter eyed people tend to have higher issues with mucus. So like a lot of mucus production and hard, harder time clearing mucus, and that mucus will often build up in the lungs. So something that is sometimes true, not always true, is blue eyed people will have more lung issues and mucus issues. Whereas like with brown eye, I see more parasites and ear issues. So it just, it's just interesting. I know, but it's just it's just kind of interesting. Right. So, yeah, it is. so she had a lot of respiratory issues, a lot of lung issues and, I was still doing the things I was doing steroids. She had a couple rounds of antibiotics, right? Like nebulizers. We could not get this baby girl to not have a cough, not have pneumonia. And then at the same time that I was doing Harry's stuff, I was like, let me try some detox therapies with her. Let me, let me see about, like doing Chinese medicine stuff. And so I gave her like a couple herbs and then that helped get rid of her lung symptoms. Like she had a 10 week cough that finally went away. And I was like, okay, this is good. But unfortunately about a month later, I still didn't get the memo on my my system. And. we took her in for a regular scheduled vaccine and this girl already had a hard time with vaccines. So we were already on a quote, delayed schedule which, whatever that means. Like we were speaking and out., and I tried, I just wanna tell the listeners I tried that too. And, yeah, I, I am a, I am always like pro-choice through and through, but if I were to tell. A mama or whatever, like really go down the rabbit hole of vaccines. Go down it, go down it. And you know, look, like I administer them to hundreds of adult patients in the ICU. Like the, none of us are like coming out like sainthood here. No. Right. Right. Right. But like, look at your journey and look what you're doing now. Yeah. Yeah, totally. There's always a purpose. Um, and unfortunately for her, you know, and she had all the signs. So she was a poor methylator, meaning she had the tongue tie. She had stork bites, right? Like there were some signs that she was not going to be able to tolerate a vaccine. So we would space them out. She'd get horrible fever. She would vomit after her regular vaccine. So we were doing like one at a time. And then just after turning one, she got a regularly scheduled one. it actually was 15 months, 15 months that she, I think it was Prevnar 13. And within a few days, she had, a very severe presentation of strabismus, meaning her eyes crossed. Hmm. Yeah, that's a, oh my gosh, that's a really severe one. Cause I'll, I'll look out. I'm like out at grocery stores. I'm like, Oh, there's a vaccine injury. Cause I can see the eye, you know, now I know what to look for, but if it's that severe, that probably had to, that was like your big neon sign. Yeah. Like it was my big neon sign. And it was like literally within 72 hours. So we were rushed to ophthalmology, right. We were like going in, doing all the things, neurological checks. And we got the same exact. response. We don't know what's happened. We don't know what's going on. Here's some glasses. Maybe she can have surgery when she's older. And because she was so young, she was one, you know, getting glasses on a one year old is really tricky. Like at a 60 percent rotation. They were like, okay, her brain will stop using her eyes because they were, you know, the signal's not going to match, it's not going to be strong enough, and I knew this intellectually, and so she will likely be blind within six months. That, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, I can't even imagine. Yeah, and this was like a breaking point for me in synchronicity with my own spiritual journey, I just like wrapped up some deep shamanic healing work. And. I remember sitting in meditation and it was very much like this turning point of like, none of us are victims. We're all sovereign souls. We're all creating our own life. And Nothing's happening to us. Everything's happening for us. So if it's happening for me, what is the lesson and what am I not getting? And I had heard this like narrative three times now. Twice with my son and now with my daughter of we don't know what's wrong, we don't know, we don't have any answers, right? And it was a breaking point because I was like, how many lessons am I going to need before I get the point? Like the universe is telling me these things. Am I going to Wake the heck up now. And of course, my answer was yes. And that was my complete fracture from Western medicine in the sense that shortly after that, I quit my job and I was like, I can no longer work in this system. And hearing that it was a vaccine injury, which, you know, we, we obviously like were able to find it was, it was such a grief process for me. And it was all the stages of grief. It's the layers. Yeah. Yeah. Layers. And that is what brought me to frequency medicine because, I had love, I love cell core and I love Dr. Watts and that's how I learned muscle testing was through, through him. And I remember having a conversation with him and. He does frequency medicine. He does a type of frequency medicine called CPK. And I talked to him about learning that and he was like, yes, you should definitely go and learn frequency medicine if you can. And for vaccine injury, there's this dude named Dr. Charlie. Okay. That's how you know, Dr. Charlie. And so, you know, and this is before he hit it big. So he still had time to respond to messages. And so I reached out to him and was very much like, Hey, I need my, this just happened to my daughter. We have six months, you know, like I got to get this. And he's like, I'm moving to Tennessee. I have a seven year wait list, you know, like, um, but the first CRA seminar is happening. And, you are postgraduate licensed health care professional. Like, you don't, you can take this. No, I will teach you how to do this. And I was like, boom. So I got on that plane and you hit, you hit the ground running or flying. Yeah. Whatever the term is. Yeah. Yeah. I was, I reached out to Don, you know, who's like a magical human being. And, for listeners, Don is the, so she's the daughter of Dr. Personnel, who's the founder of CRA and. Just like such a mama bear practitioner who really was like, no, you can do this. And, and that was where I started. Right. And I, I will add that my beginning of training in frequency medicine also correlated to the same month that I did a Medicine ceremony, a medicine journey in Bali. So I had really gone in to do some really deep ancestral healing. Yes. And sit with my indigenous, Apache side. And really do a lot of work on this, like, metaphysical world and energetic quantum world. That's my jam because I know you, we talked a little bit about the frequency or your, you know, vibrational resonance. I'll notice that some of these unseen things that I help people with attachments, or sometimes we're, we have like a kryptonite frequency that kind of like takes us all out. All out kind of like in, if you look at whether you believe in past lives or not, if that's your emotional reality, I see in my quantum healings that some of these physical manifestations are really telling us a story of our past and it's a, it's an invitation for us to resolve, like truly resolve it. So it's never a thing again. So you bringing up that you also pulled in. Quantum healing is like makes my healer heart super happy because I do see so many people, actually be able to detox a parasite after we've looked at something on the quantum and it all, that's why muscle testing is so cool to see what is creating the imbalance and going straight to the, to the root, pulling that out. And then the true transformation healing happens. So tell us more about your. Medicinal ceremony and what awareness is, and maybe how did that translate for your daughter and your son? Because I love lineage healing. I mean, ancestral healing is such a big deal, especially, you know, like, in our generation, we're really being presented with a lot of opportunities to heal generational trauma. And yeah, so you know, it was one of those things where I hadn't an idea of what was necessary. I quit my job. My husband already was at home. He wasn't able to work because he was caring for our kids. And we just, he was, we decided, if my daughter's going to go blind within six months, then I don't want her to remember me at a computer. I want her to remember my face. And I held this like intention of like, no more. So we fully unplugged from the matrix. We let go of everything. We flew to Bali for a little over a month and, really went on this very like deep dive spiritual work. And it is incredible work. What I really want to emphasize to people is this is work done by parents, right? This is like, parent access point to heal your children, you heal yourself. And it was really tricky because most of the time as a parent, you're like self care, right? Like you're trying to tell people that, but nobody gets it. Like you have to heal your nervous system and your trauma. If you want to bring your child back into alignment. And so this was on how we did that is so profound. I see like you just named it. Um, yeah, I tell everybody, but you, I tell everybody that other mamas, but I don't think you truly get it until you go and do the deep dive. And it wasn't it. It wasn't until my kids didn't start to heal until I. I focused on me and put my own oxygen mask on and started to do the deep dive and the deep healing and mine was mostly emotional, um, metaphysical, so same thing, right? Like, and, I felt a lot of pressure with the timeline with. with a six months, if it had to feel like, yeah, I was like, okay, we're going to stop everything, right? and we're just going to go and we're going to trust that the universe is going to catch us. Like I was deep in prayer for a lot. We both were, my husband and I were just like, we will just hope you surrender to the universe. Yeah. Yeah, and we didn't have any family support. So that's the thing. There's no family, coming in support. It was just us to just us in this little ecosystem. So when we went to Indonesia, we were just kind of open to whatever experience we were given. And so a lot of the ceremony work sitting with grandmother medicine, you know, was terrifying to me. I was terrified of this. I don't like being, in type of any, I don't really even drink, it's, I don't like being in an altered state of consciousness through a substance, right? But this is a very different modality, right? This is very much a healing that you can't really explain until you experience. Um, but ayahuasca for me was a A very strong breaking point into the consciousness that I was letting go of in the consciousness that I was choosing to become. It was a choice and it was painful. It was painful because I sat there and I was, was not going to get up until I knew how to heal my children. I was not going to do it. And You know, the spirit of ayahuasca did not let me get up until I was able to do that and I The are you what was the concept of time there? Like I mean, I know time is not linear so like you were time traveling and all the things but what like if in this 3d world like Give us a time frame of how long did was that journey? Medicinally for you, you know, I think it was about eight hours Yeah, everybody else was done. I was sitting there. So it was long in the 3D world. It was long. Yeah, yeah. It was a little over 8 hours. Um, and my husband and I sat separately. You know, I was with the kids for his, he was with the kids for mine. And so, like, in his, he kept going back in too. he kept getting stuck in his. And in A huge part of that was ancestral for us. So like I was very much given the gift of tapping into the knowledge of my Apache ancestors and, um, beautiful gift of sight for what needed to be healed. And that has never left me. And that has been one of my, like, greatest lessons, is that we're, there's this, connection between all of us, right? what happened a thousand years ago is still here, right? Like, we're still here. And, of course, the, impactful work of just everything we do affects our planet and everything. You know, is connected, right? There's a huge correlation with that. And so when I came out of that ceremony and we came back home, it was, it was a week later that I was, I was again with Dr. Watts and he had a very clear conversation with me in the elevator that, you know, like, Hey, you've been like, we have given you a lot of skills. There's a lot of like skill sets and modalities that have been trained. But he knew that I hadn't started my own practice yet. And at that time I was still very focused on just healing my own children. But that, you know, it was a very, Tricky point where I had to decide that. Okay. I was going to offer my services to others And that medicine journey really gave me like the confidence to do that and the calling I think it was more of just like recognizing that this was my purpose more so than This is like on the list of to do's next, right? It was like, yeah, we're meant to be. And this is technically who you've been in past lives. Yeah. This is like your true, your true unique frequency, the way creator made you. Exactly. Yeah. I love that. so at this point. What's going on with your daughter's vision? Yeah. So that's like such an interesting journey. So then, like you learn CRA. Yeah. And see, yeah. CRA. I think I've had a few people guess on, is contact reflex analysis. CPK. I don't know exactly what that stands for. Cause I would like to take it. I'd have to actually talk to the, that's on my list. It's just kind of like when the universe says, okay. Green light for this modality. I'll go for it. But what does CPK stand for? CPK is chiro plus kinesiology. So, that is where we use different hand modes to attune to different frequencies. I think it's just like another way of organizing information. And I think all of this goes back to, and I can speak to the way that I practice. I know that this isn't true for all practitioners, but those of us that have done a lot of like deep intuitive work and strengthens our connection to the quantum field are able to navigate somebody's body very much like a medical intuitive, right? Like we could go in and say, Some of us do it through sight, some of us do it through feeling, smell, smelling, all different things, right? And so CPK and CRA are really helpful for modalities to organize the information that you're getting. I like that reframe because I don't want to discourage anybody, but I think my path, because I've done such a deep dive, and I'm still doing such a deep dive in the healing, is that my trust in Source or creator is strengthening because I'm being authentic. I'm being sovereign. I'm being who. I was created to be more and more. I mean, obviously I'm releasing the things that hold me back from truly embodying that. I mean, it's a life, it's a journey, but I will say that muscle testing is just a tool to kind of validate, like it helps to organize the entry points of the imbalances when I see people and I tend to work on the quantum and with beliefs and how we're co creating a reality and every, I truly believe that that's first. And then all the physical manifestations come up and the body's just telling us. Yeah. Um, yeah. Yeah. And I agree, you know, and, and that's really how I structured my practice now and why it's very different than maybe the way that the other practitioners work is because the physical body. And so my PhD is an integrative medicine and it's an integrative quantum medicine. So Cool. I am working at a level of multidimensionality, meaning the physical body, emotional bodies, spiritual body. So all the love, the multidimensional. Yeah. Yeah. And you can work topped out, meaning you can do metaphysical healing and totally hear all your. Your physical symptoms, right? That's like, Dr. Joe, so many, so many times, right? Yeah, we see that, but a lot of people have a hard time starting there. Right. Of course they do. And I love that your background that you can pull in, like, you know, Western model and you can help people like, come out of the programming, come out of the matrix, come out of the indoctrination, but in a way that's very grounded and real because you have. The foundational knowledge, I think that's a beautiful thing. I tend to start with the physical body because people are more comfortable in the physical body. Of course, 100%. If we're on board with an herb. But if I'm like, okay, let's do some hypnotherapy about past life regression, they're like, yeah, you know, I know. That's the same. That's like kind of my art there. I'm still, yeah, a lot of times when I'm testing, I'm like, Oh gosh, I have no clue what their emotionality is, but they have an entity attached to them. And I'm like, how do I broach that? I call it foreign energy. I'm like, it's kind of like you have a parasite that's unseen. That's messing with your biofield. I try to do different words, like to try to make demystify it. So it doesn't sound so out there. And I think that's really important because the language and the linguistics is what really separates it from science to like woo woo. Right. Right. I think there's so much going on now on separating that out from woo woo to actual science, right? Like we can actually, we can measure exactly, which is so cool. That's why I like we, my husband is in the tech world and we don't poo poo technology because there's a reason for it. So people that are afraid of AI, we're like, how is this working for us? Versus against us. Everything is a consciousness and an intention, right? And like, you will attract what you put out there, right? So if you're fearful of it, then it will come to you. And this was a really big lesson for me, too. Even in the world of, healing my kids, right? I, I realized how long I was keeping them in victim consciousness because I was looking at them as victims because they were small people with all these things happening, right? Like these little souls where it was like, it's parasites and heavy metals and vaccine injury and like, my son's an empath. And so he can't handle around these like crazy sporting events, you know,, like all of these things, right? Start to create this construct of victim consciousness. One thing I've seen really threaded through a lot of my patients is, it's a natural place to put ourselves in a rescuer mentality, right? If you're a rescuer, you're always going to have a victim. Yeah, it's an archetype and you're just going to keep playing that with different roles, different people. Even like your patients, it'll show up patients. Yeah. I see a lot of practitioners do this and then building the codependency, right? Oh, yeah. My work is more of a mentorship, right? Doctor patient relationship. I love that. I love that. I feel like I think we're on like a similar path of what I'm like learning to is that I'm more of an activator. I, I kind of, I like my friend who's a healer. And we just go back and forth. We're like, what is it about certain people when it becomes dependent? Like that codependent relationship with healers and like you putting somebody on a pedestal. Cause I used to do that all the time with my spiritual mentors all the time. And it was the victim archetype. Like I, And I know a lot of people, I had to leave all my Lime groups and whatever because of that was such an archetype that was so profound. I'm like, this is,, there was heart because I'm like, I have grace for these people. I know they're suffering, but I also kind of am done with the whole, that's my journey right now is the victim savior. Identifying with illness. Right. Like as your identity. I'm like, no,, I would be in the groups and offer Oh, just like gentle, solutions. And they'd be that is not like an, you you'd get like berated. And, okay, these people don't want to heal. They, they actually just want to be their label of a limey and I'm that's what separated me. And that was, you had your big journey and wake up like I too am like, you know, how can we be, Well, we're of the matrix like we, there's no really like escaping, but we can, not anymore. It's really tricky, but I will say that the sovereignty and I, and I love how you practice. I think when you, I'll, I'll tell the listeners to like, how can they find you on social media? But when I looked, you have to apply for the mentorship, which I love that because, and how did, how, when did you get to that point where you're like, I need the people that really want to heal in my practice. I think I got to that point when I, through my own like coaching experiences. And so one thing that has been important for my journey is I've always had a mentor or coach, like working on my own self, like working on my own self healing journey and like constantly keeping myself a very clean conduit so that I'm not reflecting, projecting or like manifesting, things I don't need. Right. Because that can affect muscle testing y'all. So that's why, that's why you do need to be going to a mentor or a practitioner who is doing the deep work on themselves. Yes, because they will project on you whatever their own stuff is, right? Like, so, so for me, I looked at the way these people were structuring it and it's really truly a coaching model. Is what it is. And so the coaching model is and, the coaches that I'm working with are like master subconscious reprogrammers. Right? And so when I do that work, I realized how much of it really goes back to change management and part of my. Masters from 10 years ago that I thought was like a worthless piece of tuition was in management in the health care system at the time. I thought it was going to like change Western medicine. Turns out that didn't happen. Um, but it really gave me an eye into the psychology of change and how we change behaviors. And when I looked at how I wanted to devote my time while still being. In alignment with my role as a mother, meaning like I'm not trying to replace my practice with like 50 hour work weeks and like entrepreneurship. That's psycho for what would be psycho for me. Like I'm still going to be present with my children. I decided, okay, these are the amount of hours I want to work. And these are the amount of patients that I'm going to take on that feel good for me in this current phase of life to do that. That means I want patients that are going to show up that are ready to heal. And that are going to be committed to the work so that we're not wasting each other's time and that ready, willing and able to heal, make sure that you know exactly what I'm talking about, right? and they're like. Like ready, right? they're going to dive in and they're gonna do the hard work because it will get hard. And I'm not looking at people like, let's take a couple years of talk therapy. I'm like, let's do this in six months. Like you have children. Yes. We have a timeline. Yes. Timeline. And it's like now. Right? And so those are the people that I wanted to work with. I got very clear about that. And in order to really like distill that you have to see where people are on the change management process, meaning there are people that are like contemplating being healthy and then there's people that are ready to jump in right with the application process. It gives me a window into who is ready to jump in, like who is really ready to commit to this work. Why do they want to commit to that work? Their why, yeah, that's important. What's their why and how are they framing it? And instead of wasting time, or in my view, Perspective like wasting time on a consult with somebody who just wants me to give them a protocol and then see him in six weeks, right? that's not necessarily the type of work I lean into. There are great practitioners that do that. So I don't want to discount that work. Sure. Like where I wanted to thrive. That's not, that wasn't in alignment with who you are. So that makes sense. Exactly. Because to me, that's still just the physical body, right? We're still just dealing with 20 percent of the healing spectrum that needs to occur. And even more so with children, because there is a limit to how much you can do with the physical body. You're not going to be doing like aggressive detox work with a child the way you would with an adult. And so in order to really move that needle, you have to go in these upper areas of healing. And that requires behavior change. Healing requires behavior change and lifestyle change. And so the application process shows me who is actually ready to do that type of change. And it was one of my biggest heartbreaks to realize that not everybody is, right? I was under the, impression. You were under the impression because that's who you are and you're like, you're it. I am like, I will go and I will do all these things to heal my kids, right? Yeah. But it turns out not everybody's at that place. And that goes back to just the psychology of change. Everybody has to reach a tipping point that's an alignment for them. And so the way that I've structured my practice is to really only be working with those people that feel called to do like. Big excavation work. And typically that means I'm getting children with pretty serious diagnoses. Yeah. Well, wow. That's beautiful. so Tessie, how do people find you, on the social medias and, or apply for your mentorship? Can you tell the listeners that they feel called? Cause I have seen that happen where I think my podcast is not like being listened to, but I've let go of that. I'm like, I still, cause the universe is like, Nope. You need to do this podcast. Like I kept getting, even when I took my break, when I moved, it was like, nope, the universe is you have to do your podcast. So who there's probably somebody listening that is going to be like, there she is. So, um, so my website is the holistic Hollisters. com. Okay. And my social media handle is the holistic Hollisters. So, and I'm going to be putting this all in the podcast right up so people can look in there. In the description of our podcast, I know we could like probably chat for like two hours or plus about all the things, um, but I found that people like have a threshold of like how long they'll listen to podcasts. So we'll wrap it up and we'll do like a part two or something. But is there any like last nuggets that you really wanted to yeah, I would say, you know, just for the listeners to round out the story. My daughter is not blind. Yay. Oh, yes. Thank you. It was like the cliffhanger. We didn't get to like full circle that. Right. Yeah. Yeah. so she's doing really well. And there is a lot, a lot, a lot of work that can be done with children that doesn't require so much. of the physical modalities. I've seen a lot of parents maybe feel like dejected because their kids behavior or they're at a point where they're like, I can't get a supplement in, or they're not going to listen to anything I say, or, they're just at this like breaking point where it's too much. There is still a lot that can be done. There is a lot that can be done, especially in the energetic world, the environmental world, the quantum, yeah, like removing so many things. Yeah, I will say, um, I've had a patient in the recent, like where it's, it's the reframe when I get it as a mother. That's why I think being a mother and a practitioner has like, it's humbled me so much. It's humbled me so much because those real life struggles of like, getting a supplement in or whatever. But when I shifted my focus to actually healing me, that's when we all started to heal. So if there's one nugget I could like, and I think you named it throughout your whole, like your whole story. Is like, you're saying there's a lot that could be done in the quantum realm that really actually starts with the mom or the dad or, you know, the caregiver. I require one parent to always be a part of the healing journey for a child. Typically it's the mom, but I've gotten a lot more fathers, really interested in this work too. And there's the practical aspect. If you have parasites, if you have mold, candida. Everybody in the family is going to have it, right? Right. Back and forth, right? Right. But emotionally, energetically, all of that is going to be reflected in your child. And you as a parent are the tuning fork. You are the tuning fork trying to bring your child into resonance. So where do you want to tune yourself for them to follow? Right. Yeah. Right. I like that. The tuning fork and how we all just synced up. So if you have, if you have a dysregulated nervous system, guess what? Your kids have dysregulated nervous systems. So it's like if you're chaos, they're chaos. So they may look differently. Like it may be physical symptoms and them, right, right, right, right. But it's still a problem. Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing all of your wealth of knowledge and your very vulnerable story. I think it's profound and you're so beautiful. I see your soul. I see your you as a healer. And thank you for just being amazing. And I love this conversation. It's so nice to speak with other mothers too, because I think you're right. When, when you're a mother and a practitioner, it just, it feels different in the way that we look at the world and the way we even look at our clients. A hundred percent. Yeah. So, well, thank you, Tessie. You have happy holidays. And, I love that we recorded this on the winter solstice. I just, it's so great. So anyways, thank you.

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